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The topic is too big for your guys to discuss. I have not seen any comments that can convince me. I have some points here that you don't have to agree.

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛First of all, man and woman never can be equal. Men and women are different in natural. They are very different in body structure and thinking method, they have different role in their life. How come you want they are equal. Can you guys believe before, now or future, men and women can be same in social or private life? I never believe that.

The correct way is that men and women do their own work properly. Men take men's resposibilities, and women take their roles. If men and women were really equal in someday, the world would lose its becauty.

Secondly, either men or women, though no absolutely better or worse, it does have behavior, thoughts, experience, appearness difference. Therefore we have to accept the truth the everyone is different, even man to man, woman to woman.

Third, Chinese and Western (white people) are different. This is another big topic and I will not try to say more. But keep in mind, you can gain the western peropl's respect by yourself. Everybody knows that you have to respect yourself then others will respect you. Easy to say but not everyone knows how to respect themselves.

World is becautiful, and one of major reasons is that everyone is different. Do your work to make your world, and other's world better. You don't have to be same as others.

One note: it seems most chinese (men or women) think many things in the same way. And sometimes many people share the same ideas with some important matters.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下拾英 / 心灵感悟 / (原创)人的解放和女性的解放--兼答某男性网友
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛今日个过年,不是个吵架的好日子,但前几天心情不佳,一不留神,让一个上佳的辩论男男女女天差地别的好机会,活生生从暗眼皮底下错过,到今天打开一个成了热点的话题,看了某男某女的言论,不吐不快,不吐就不是我桌子的行事风格了。

    使了个硕大无比的题目,有点耸人听闻的吸引你眼球的花招,实在我的本专本术,也非念女性解放论述的博士,这么大的题目,也就供大家伙儿费点脑细胞,对桌子有点点了解的人都知啦,是个好上纲上线的主。

    男女之争,大约从母系社会一转到父系,就古今中外概莫能外。有个洋人一不留神写了部《男人来自火星女人来自金星》,立马在BEST SELLER上挂名持久,另外一个洋人的书名则更是惊心动魄,使的是战争的字眼,叫《性战》。

    可见不是现在的中国社会,才特有的男男女女争权夺利,把个“中国女强人遍地走”的现象,归罪于老毛,实在是冤枉,说他没胡子二姨子站在女人一边,更是一派胡言,不值一驳,上不了俺的“桌”面。

    东扯西拉的闲话少说,言归正传,也就言简意赅:

    1)女人的解放,不仅仅是女人自己的事儿,这道理是是说给男人听的,谁让你天生要娶女人为妻呢?何况,再怎么着,你也是女人所生吧?

    所以,我使了“人的解放”这样的字眼。

    2)人格的独立,说一千道一万,说到底是经济地位的独立,这道理是说给女人听的,安身立命的前提,那男女无别。

    3)男女之别,我们自己要搞搞搞清楚,哪些是我们的天然天性,母性,女人味,这会子来了个“优雅”,哪些是男权社会对我们的期待和指望,许多来自男性的论述,都是带着蜜糖的毒,赞美的同时,歌颂的背后,其实是种压迫。

    4)大家都是人,这是最大白话的大白话道理,可惜,许多男人并不把女人当跟他平起平坐的独立个体的人,一些女同胞也自主自愿地成了男人身上的一根肋骨。

    过年了,大鱼大肉之余,请大家男男女女们,三思。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 适者生存.....社会达尔文主义....男权客观存在....不以你意见转移.....女孩子离婚占优势......不以我意见转移......存在必有理由....不要改变世界.....JUST MY INPUT.....
      • “不要改变世界”,倒是当儿前的人类的母系社会,恐怕也有德高望重的某女大人,如此语重心长地,劝告前来争权夺利的男人们。好彩我们如今既不用上山打猎,也大多数无需男耕女织。
        • 跳出来容易....做事难.....强烈建议你看看WEATKING的妇女求职活动.....那是真的...比您写文章强多了(SORRY FOR MY TONE)....不用理小男人的梦话--有能力谈女人自然属性的男人类很少很老...不用管....空谈的小男人类无所谓...
          • 就是,我们只是意淫而已,这都不给。大权都是女人捏着,小女人哭哭啼啼的也是大武器,杀得男的片甲不了,全军覆没,全线溃退,这女人还说不够,还痛打落水鸡,这鸡年也不例外。我们也就是过过精神生活,现实中不让着你们,你们干吗。
            你干吗,桌子MM?
            • 哎...国女...以别人观点来衡量自己的价值....
              • 我是在骂她刁蛮呢。
                • 我就是这个意思........"杀得男的片甲不了,全军覆没,全线溃退,这女人还说不够,".....名言啊.....
              • 啊?三八是女的?!
                也是,多说三八婆,没说三八公的
                • 是叉仨八同学.....
                • 理解有偏差。他说国女是说桌子呐,你再仔细读读。//男的叫八公。
                  • 唉...国八公...
      • 每回在坛子上谈平等理念,谈人自身的解放,总有人误解,以为打土豪分田地式样的又来了,在平等人格上的彼此尊重,是双赢的局面,难理解么?以为我来批倒批臭男人呀,最终还得嫁个男人不是?
        • 趁现在赶紧批,等嫁了人底气就没这么足了
        • 嫁个女的也可,都加拿大了这都
        • 四条腿的就是好.......HIAHIA....
        • #2075151. #2075217
          • (#2115309)
    • I drove "解放" when I went to the driving school in China. Our couch is a middle-age woman, we all respect her very much. No matter if you are a man or a woman, don't just say it, do it
      note "it" means driving here
    • mark一下, 太忙了, 没力气回。。。。。hia hia hia ;)
    • 一地口水
    • well, I 'm a man, but if there is a war between the 男人&女人, I will firmly stand with 妇女 shoulder to shoulder....
      • 趁人之危呀
        吃豆腐啊
    • 不错,一张桌子就把男人都横扫了。想来那些自愿被欺压的好男人是没有敢出来和你对质的。。。 : D
      难道,还真有这个所谓的“中国女强人遍地走”的现象?

      感觉中国的女人不管在外是不是强人,在家里的地位还挺高的,也许比不上美国,但大概也快进前三名了。(泛指普通家庭的概况,当然特殊情况如情人或二奶自然不能算。)

      仅仅局限于对自己认识的亲戚朋友同学的观察,感觉也许有误,先自我批评一下。:D
      • No.1 in Asia....
    • 女人再解放也变不成男人, 就像现在的猴子再怎么变也变不成人一样
      男女平等只能说说罢了。 一个公司女人多了肯定是要最后完蛋的。
      • 所有的反平等的歧视理念都一样,用你的话,套到白人对中国人的看低,中国人再解放也变不成白人,就像现在的猴子再怎么变也变不成人一样,众种族平等只能说说罢了。 一个公司中国人多了肯定是要最后完蛋的。如何?
        • 那你就去搞什么平等和解放去吧
          中国女人是没法跟洋妞比啊, 前面是平的, 后面也是平的。 中国女人现在这个样子就是男女平等搞出来的。 俺敢打赌说那些在网上宣传男女平等的女士先生一定是外貌非常男性化的,那些有女人味道的肯定首先承认男女是不可能平等的。
          • ”打土豪分田地“又来了,@_@
            • 不要理他......
          • 太强了. 支持.
    • 妈妈的好儿子们,妻子的好老公们,女儿的好爸爸们,挣钱养家,供房供车之余,扪心自问:你真的把女人当跟你平起平坐的独立个体来对待吗?很想在这儿找几个真正具有”平等理念“的蓝颜知己呢。
      • me me
        but have to get approval first
        • 又不是抢她人别人的男人,啥批准不批准的?@_@
          • 看不懂....
            • 他在炫耀他要回去请求他老婆批准,@_@
              • smart as i am
      • 美丽的玉娇龙比伟大的豪哥地位高是不争的事实......就好象白天之于黑夜一样....无可否定...不需否定...
      • 发自肺腑的呼喊。。。。可是有几个不平等的例子呢?平等的具体量化是什么?平等和社会分工的关联是什么?
        • 我觉得平等并非说男女都一样,男人能干的女人也能干,而是理解为女性有跟男性一样的自由选择的权力。针对前两天的帖子,我觉得是自由选择家庭角色和社会角色的权力,而不是以男性的标准和期望而生活。
          • 自由选择...的权利要不要顾及某些天性的差别?女性以某些男性观点为标准衡量自己,正如男性以某些女性观点衡量自己一样,难道要以第三性的观点衡量才叫平等客观?
            • 天性当然是有差别的,我是说,女性可以自由选择参考或不参考男性的观点,而不是把男性的观点作为社会的一个普遍评价标准。
              • 你应该说某女性可以选择参考或不参考男性的观点,这是个人权利问题,无关男女性别。但如果泛指女性,抛弃了另外一个集合的观点作为对比参考,你还能有别的参考点吗?
                • 老大,你用的这符号和希特勒的很像啊...
                • 你说的正好是我所说的平等选择的权力呀。即作为男性群体,可以选择参考女性群体的评价标准,也可以不参考。而作为女性群体也一样。除了相对的另一群体,也可以以超越性别(即作为人本身)的评价标准。
                • 最后一句,就回去干活了。天性的差别并不能作为社会定位的标准,尤其是现代社会,科技的发展早已缩短了男女劳力的差别,那么女性也不应该以家庭为定位标准。
          • 总算是来了个知心知己的同盟军,多谢!平等确实就是这样的理念,我们的自主选择权,以前女性没选举权,我们千辛万苦争来了,去不去投票是我自己的选择,但如果我想投,你得给我这个权。
            • 嗯,就是这个意思。:)
            • 你举个具体例子,到底是什么事让你没有自主选择权了。
              • 例如今年要不要买D70,周末要不要去钓鱼,明天能不能午饭出去吃,,,请依此类推.. :D
    • similar topic hole ... the hole I dig is so lack of water ,,,, sigh....
      • "the hole I dig is so lack of water..." what r u doing? ...dude...
    • 严格的讲,桌子不能算是女人.
      桌子只能算是个带点任性,带点蛮横,持才傲人,表面装酷,内心温柔,喜欢和小屁孩吵架的小女生..............新年快乐.
    • The topic is too big for your guys to discuss. I have not seen any comments that can convince me. I have some points here that you don't have to agree.
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛First of all, man and woman never can be equal. Men and women are different in natural. They are very different in body structure and thinking method, they have different role in their life. How come you want they are equal. Can you guys believe before, now or future, men and women can be same in social or private life? I never believe that.

      The correct way is that men and women do their own work properly. Men take men's resposibilities, and women take their roles. If men and women were really equal in someday, the world would lose its becauty.

      Secondly, either men or women, though no absolutely better or worse, it does have behavior, thoughts, experience, appearness difference. Therefore we have to accept the truth the everyone is different, even man to man, woman to woman.

      Third, Chinese and Western (white people) are different. This is another big topic and I will not try to say more. But keep in mind, you can gain the western peropl's respect by yourself. Everybody knows that you have to respect yourself then others will respect you. Easy to say but not everyone knows how to respect themselves.

      World is becautiful, and one of major reasons is that everyone is different. Do your work to make your world, and other's world better. You don't have to be same as others.

      One note: it seems most chinese (men or women) think many things in the same way. And sometimes many people share the same ideas with some important matters.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net